The two musicians Marteria and Campino talk in “Markus Lanz” about the divide between East and West Germans – and their personal experiences. One of them sits you down and notices you with a confession.
Dusseldorf rock band “Die Toten Hosen” and Rostock rapper Marteria recently released two thematically and musically related singles: In “Scheiß Wessis” and “Scheiß Ossis” both bands poke fun at East-West clichés. At the “Markus Lanz”, the singer of Tote-Hosen Campino (real name: Andreas Frege) and Marteria (real name: Marten Laciny) spoke on Wednesday evening about the difficult history of the whole of Germany, the reasons for the West- East and Ukrainian War.
- Campino, lead singer of Die Toten Hosen
- Marteria, rapper
The war in Ukraine caused Campino and Marteria to rethink – not just in terms of the ultimately altered PR campaign for the two singles. Marteria explained that he had often played down the danger posed by Russia. “I’ve always been a Putin advocate,” said the East German musician. He says he “always instinctively defended this eastern part a little”, often confusing the words of the Russian president with a kind of rattle. You always thought nothing would happen, he said. “And then it happened – and you realise: Oh my God, this madness”.
“It doesn’t matter if you’re on the left or the right: as soon as you have autocrats or extremists in power, it becomes uncomfortable. The world has to protect itself from that – and not from just any system,” Campino said. , who pointed out that the West has also felt much to blame in the past.
In this context, the publication should be understood as a plea for cohesion, common ground and friendship, explained the singer. “It should make you think that German reunification happened without blood, without terror, without the use of force.” This is not obvious.
Campino might not refuse military service today
The question of rearmament was also discussed that evening. “It’s a question of balance. It was horrible to realize that you can’t live side by side without a balance of power,” said Campino, who also recounted disagreements with his father, a former reserve officer. during WWII.
“I was very strict with Germany when I was a teenager because I was also strict with my father,” the 59-year-old said. After World War II, his father had the attitude, “Nothing like this should ever happen again. We need a free and well-fortified army that no longer allows such conditions. At that time, I also considered my father as a dead-hard who had come out does not come out of his thought patterns, “he explained. This was followed by a rather surprising admission: “Of course I have refused military service and maybe I would decide otherwise today given this situation”.
Marteria, who himself served in the German armed forces, sees things the same way. When asked what he would do if war broke out in Germany, he replied: “I don’t think I would run away. I think I would give myself. For the freedom you have and that I can live.” .
German reunification and riots in Lichtenhagen
Campino also spoke of his enthusiasm for reunification (“It was clear to me at that moment that I was living the most beautiful historical moment that would happen in my life”) – and his disappointment with the xenophobic riots in Lichtenhagen a few years ago. later. . “We had to see that many demagogues, who would have had no chance in the old federal states, very quickly went to the East – where, at the time of the transition, no former authority was left in charge, but the news wasn’t there yet”. A power vacuum has been exploited by these demagogues.
It was a shock to see how quickly the mood had changed. His band reacted to this with the song “Sascha – a straight German”, for which there was a lot of solidarity, but also death threats. “Republicans – what the AfD is today – tried to sue us for hate speech. There were bomb threats, my parents were threatened.” He describes how it got quite violent: “At that time, in the 1990s, there was a lot of noise and we didn’t stay away. Because it was on the agenda at the time. At that time, there was hardly any alternative.”
The anger of the East German population
Marteria described the run-up to the attack in drastic terms. “It started months before that,” he said – and reported seething and ever-growing anger in parts of the East German population. “It was an anarchic time, like Mad Max. You feel like you have no protection, you’re alone,” the rapper said. It was almost inherited. “Agriculture, overseas ports, everyone has lost their jobs. Also, there was a real gold rush vibe in the West: “People go East and buy things. A lot of injustice happened there.”
Marteria is proud of the change in his hometown of Rostock: “The madness we experienced there and how proud I am of what this town has become,” he enthused. “This city has now become such a cool and open city that it’s totally dressed up.”
With the songs “Scheiß Wessis” and “Scheiß Ossis”, the two musicians want to humorously allude to old clichés – which are no longer a problem for their sons today, as the two close musician friends explained in conclusion.